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Post by quind on Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:05 am

As we slowly creep towards the new season proper I'm rolling out another pub favourite, namely name your greatest ever XV.

I'm not doing this as a poll by position, rather just post your XVs, and it's possible I'll collate at some time to give a greatest ever as decreed by the BR England offsite.

Picking from the greats of the game there aren't really any wrong opinions, and feel free to pick people even if you never saw them play - I doubt for instance many saw Gareth Edwards but he may appear in a team or two.

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Post by quind on Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:33 am

du Randt
Fitzpatrick
Vickery
Johnson
Eales
Hill
McCaw
Z Brooke
Genia
Carter
Roff
Horan
Sella
Tuqiri
Blanco

No Woodman, Wood, Dowd, Jenkins in the front row, no Botha or Matfield in the 2nd. Leaving out the likes of Juan and Geroge Smith feels just wrong.

In the backs not picking Joost wasn't easy. Wilson, Campese, Cullen, Robinson, O'Driscoll, Bunce, Gerber, Lomu and of course Edwards could all be picked.

In another 10 minutes I might pick a different team.

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Post by beardface on Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:58 am

1, O.Du Randt
2, S. Fitzpatrick
3, P. Vickery
4, J. Eales
5, M. Johnson (capt)
6, R. Hill
7, R. McCaw
8, Z. Brooke
9, J. Van der Westhuizen
10,D. Carter
11, J.Lomu
12, D. Gerber
13, P. Sella
14, D. Campese
15, S. Blanco

All pretty solid I think except (obviously) Lomu but his impact on the game was unquestionable and if youre trying to defend against Gerber and Sella what you dont want to see outside them is Jonah Lomu. Also Joost, myabe not the best SH for the purist, Gareth Edwards for me in that case, but this is my dream team and Joost played exactly how I'd like to see my SH play and behind a pack like this he'd be unstoppable.

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Post by beardface on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:01 am

Tuqiri > Campese Quin ?
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Post by beardface on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:03 am

and whos your skipper? Johnson/ Fitzpatrick?
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Post by quind on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:03 am

No Horan would be an issue for me, best player ever and all that. Not sure if Lomu would have the same impact now, but without question the biggest superstar of the game so hardly a bad call.

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Post by quind on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:06 am

In my team with no oustanding carriers in the back row or centres, not power running options at least I wanted a little more ballast. But still better rugby players than say a Lomu.

Johnson Vs Fitzy, don't really care. Either way Fitzy won't shut up and Johnson won't talk much.

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Post by beardface on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:12 am

Horan was very difficult to leave out but I remember watching SA rugby as part of training and they looked like they were playing a different sport particularly Gerber. As great as Horan was I think against each other Gerber would have just been too strong
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Post by jimjam_w on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:12 am

Tough tough choices!

But I have to say, Richard Hill and Richie McCaw would certainly be there, first names that stand out for me.

Mind you, Neil Back on the subs bench wouldn't be a bad call either! Jean Pierre Rieve (sp?) and "the big Kelso farmer" also spring up from yesteryear...

Jason Robinson has to come somewhere on the list...and where would I put Andy Irvine? Some incredible French backs back in the day out there...especially in the centres and where would I rate Nonu, Lomu, Sivivatu in all this...

Maybe when I'm on my desert island...or incarcerated...I will be able to work this one out...right after I've listed 'top ten female cartoon characters' scratch

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Post by quind on Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:30 am

Sivivatu was so good that even an outstanding NZ team built their attack around him. Then again he's a wife beater so no way I'd pick him

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Post by jimjam_w on Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:39 pm

I did not know that...that bit of scandal passed me by.

Too busy in books, clearly study

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Post by Wingnut on Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:53 pm

top 10 female cartoon characters?
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Post by jimjam_w on Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:50 pm

C'mon - don't tell me haven't considered it?

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Post by Wingnut on Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:15 pm

well i have considered it mate , i reckon we should do a list soon Smile
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Post by gazla on Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:02 pm

Jason Lenard
Sean Fitzpatrick
Os du Randt
Colin Meads
Martin Johnson
Richie McCaw
Michael Jones
Zinzan Brooke
Gareth Edwards
Hugo Porta
Jonah Lomu
Philippe Sella
Brian O'Driscoll
David Campese
Serge Blanco

So so many names left out, but only 15 positions to fill.
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Post by Meeeeeeeat_ on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:43 pm

see this is harder for me cus i'm so much younger i havent heard of most of these your talking about. so this is mine really based from within this milennium with a few high profile excpetions.
without any further ado;

1. Jason Leonard (basically an anchor)
2. Sean Fitzpatrick (legend status)
3. Oz Du Randt (legend status)
4. Martin Johnson (C) (leadership, strength)
5. John Eales (legend, height)
6. Richie McCaw (turnovers)
7. Jerry Collins (legend, strength and aggression)
8. Zinzan Brooke (legend status)
9. Gareth Edwards (legend, seem him rated number 1 player.. alot)
10. Dan Carter (legend, skills)
11. Jason Robinson (ability to break line)
12. Jonny Wilkinson (commitment, mindset, skills)
13. Jeremy Guscott (legend, attacking game)
14. David Campese (legend, attacking game)
15. Serge Blanco (legend status)

sooo many more i wanted to put in, mad dog moody, tindall just for that heroic tackle on gregan in the 2003 world cup final, steve thompson, o'driscoll, shane williams, tana umaga, jonah lomu, schalk burger, kieren reid, dalaglio, castrogiavanni, richard hill, neil back,
i know that my 12 is gonna be quite controversial but assuming everyone on this team is on form, i believe he comes out on top, prefer him carter but probably cus i'm biased but i reckon that 10, 12 combo would work well
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Post by Meeeeeeeat_ on Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:44 pm

see this is harder for me cus i'm so much younger i havent heard of most of these your talking about. so this is mine really based from within this milennium with a few high profile excpetions.
without any further ado;

1. Jason Leonard (basically an anchor)
2. Sean Fitzpatrick (legend status)
3. Oz Du Randt (legend status)
4. Martin Johnson (C) (leadership, strength)
5. John Eales (legend, height)
6. Richie McCaw (turnovers)
7. Jerry Collins (legend, strength and aggression)
8. Zinzan Brooke (legend status)
9. Gareth Edwards (legend, seem him rated number 1 player.. alot)
10. Dan Carter (legend, skills)
11. Jason Robinson (ability to break line)
12. Jonny Wilkinson (commitment, mindset, skills)
13. Jeremy Guscott (legend, attacking game)
14. David Campese (legend, attacking game)
15. Serge Blanco (legend status)

sooo many more i wanted to put in, mad dog moody, tindall just for that heroic tackle on gregan in the 2003 world cup final, steve thompson, o'driscoll, shane williams, tana umaga, jonah lomu, schalk burger, kieren reid, dalaglio, castrogiavanni, richard hill, neil back,
i know that my 12 is gonna be quite controversial but assuming everyone on this team is on form, i believe he comes out on top, prefer him to carter but probably cus i'm biased but i reckon that 10, 12 combo would work well


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Post by Wingnut on Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:10 pm

aye jonny was a brick wall in defence , great selection at 12
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Post by jeolmaga on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:24 pm

Idk maybe im just insane but I'd put carter in 12 he can linebreak better then wilks
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Post by Skandalous on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:13 am

You have to choose one or the other in a greatest 15 of all time neither of them can be considered at 12 imo.

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Post by jeolmaga on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:43 am

But carter originally played at center and he has played there thats why I chose him there.
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Post by quind on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:55 am

Carter played outside Merhts whilst finding his feet at club and then test level. Just as Wilkinson played 12 outside Andrew for Newcastle and Grayson for England initially. Actually Wilkinson's first cap came as a replacement on the wing, which doesn't sound too bad until you find out he was replacing Mike Catt. - Jack Rowell made some damn odd decisions.

I agree with Skand that neither would merit consideration at 12 as the greatest who have ever played just because they played there. Also for me Tim Horan is the greatest player to ever lace up a pair of boots (though even then I wouldn't consider him at 10)

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Post by neiljory on Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:02 pm

If you want to be a bit old school, and slightly tongue in cheek, - you could do worse than this team:

Ray McLoughlin
John Pullin
Sandy Carmichael
Willie John McBride
Bob Wilkinson
Derek Quinnell
Fergus Slattery
Tom David
Gareth Edwards
Phil Bennett
David Duckham
Mike Gibson
John Dawes
Gerald Davies
JPR Williams

Seriously, from well before the professional age, there's some real contenders there.

And if you want to see what they could do, you could do worse than look here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9SigyjdjmE


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